Superman Trailer
Hmm. I don’t know. I haven’t liked Superman in a movie since the early 80s. What do you think? Does Superman even make sense as a contemporary superhero?
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Hmm. I don’t know. I haven’t liked Superman in a movie since the early 80s. What do you think? Does Superman even make sense as a contemporary superhero?
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Does it make sense? Maybe. The problem I end up having is thus: he's not human, and the scale of the conflicts required to tax him are inhuman as well, and that's... not very interesting to me.
On the other hand, the problems he deals with that are human and that his powers don't help with at all- those could be interesting.
So him learning how to have a real adult relationship? Maybe neat. Him fighting whatever super-big-bad from setting the world on fire? I'm not that interested.
I'd much rather see a Wonderman movie.
https://youtu.be/Zj9akZLbcAA
The just-finished CW show Superman & Lois was about a middle-aged Clark as a family man, raising two boys with Lois in Smallville. It had some CW melodrama and season finale big bads, but it also dealt with those human issues you mentioned. It had more good moments than not.
What a waste of time. Not even Superdog is enough to make this interesting. Now, Supercat? Maybe...but only when it's streaming and there's absolutely nothing left to watch.
I'll say I love that theme song. An all timer. I was so-so on Superman for most of my life, but the recent animated series My Adventures with Superman made me love the story. It really outlined the struggle he has of saving the people of a planet that hate him. I'll be curious if that comes off well in this film. Based on the trailer, my concern is what I have regularly with Gunn - cramming too much in. There were a lot of characters shown in this trailer. I hope it's not too busy.
I was following along and then suddenly in the last 20 seconds it was like "did we mention there are six different Aliens Doing Destructive Things in this movie?!"
These movies are always so much better when there is more focus. "Cramming too much in" is spot on. I feel like Endgame was the only movie to somehow pull that off and they keep trying to replicate that.
A, there's always room for a new Superman, and I don't see any reason that new filmmakers shouldn't take a crack at him.
B, if you treat Superman as a Hero Demigod™, he's boring. If you treat him as Clark Kent, a human with an impossible amount of expectations thrust upon him, he can be as interesting as any other character.
Gunn has proven to me that he's more interested in people than gods, so I'm stoked.
When I think about Superman I always think about this Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal comic that argues maybe the best use of Superman is to just turn a big crank and create free energy for everyone forever.
Superman is an immigrant from a place destroyed by political infighting and climate change whose efforts are being targeted for destruction by billionaires yet he is still trying his best to do right by his adopted home and resists the temptation to use his great power to rule others by force
I can imagine it would be hard to make this character relevant to modern audiences ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is my thought as well. If he's fighting against an intergalactic villain? Pass.
If he is fighting for the oppressed and voiceless - the immigrant, the LGBTQ, the poor - against the oligarchs and those that would crush the people for power and enrichment? Bring. It. On.
One more thought: What makes Superman interesting is not his power, it is his morality.
Can't wait to stream this at home!
I think I read somewhere that Gunn acknowledged that Superman is not the interesting character in his stories, but it’s the people around him who are interesting characters. I guess something good can be done with that as a point of view for telling a Superman story, but I am feeling a bit burnt out on Superman.
I liked the trailer. Indeed, Superman doesn’t make sense as a contemporary superhero but that is precisely what’s so interesting to me about this character. There is an opportunity for the movie to be out of the genre. I liked Man of Steel for that reason too, it felt very biblical.
This is probably going to fall under my rule for movies based on overused IP (Marvel, Star Wars, etc.):
If it gets better than 98% on the Tomatometer and several people I know and respect recommend it I will consider watching.
Or maybe I'll stream it when I'm sick, or injured, or drunk...
They figured out how to resurrect the spirit of the 80's with Top Gun remake/ Guardians of the Galaxy. I think the music in this trailer even sounds like Top Gun. This is gonna rock.
I thought I was done with superheroes until I saw Guy Gardner's bowl cut. I'm in.
Oh also, ALSO, Rachel Brosnahan is genius casting. Hoping she is allowed/encouraged to make good use of her time with Sherman-Palladino and go full His Girl Friday on the Daily Planet.
Superman is interesting when he's presented with moral dilemmas. He can overcome most human challenges, but what does Superman do when he can't save everyone? That's the crux of most interesting Superman stories. He's the living embodiment of the trolley problem.
I don’t know about the new Superman, but the next film about above-the-law billionaire Batman is already losing its appeal.
I'm just excited to see Krypto in a movie. He's the best boy.
The funnies' OG best boy.
Underwhelmed that it sooo echoes the first movie. But Krypto!
Anyway, relevance of the character: Given that as old IP, there's a nigh infinite versions, Jerry Siegel's original can or should work now more than ever: an alien orphan with abilities far beyond earthlings shot to earth from a decadent dying world who, here, becomes a social justice warrior -- who uses his abilities to make the world better. (I could bag out a summary for such a movie or GN in, like, minutes.)
Come on. You know you'd love to see that.
The other variant get ever dumber.
I think Homelander from The Boys is much more the superhero of our times… but some of the other commentators here have opened my mind a bit that there could be a relevant version of this.
Supes was my first hero, so I am ride or die ... but, I do think that a lot of tropes have been worn out. Some ideas I'd like to see would include:
- Clark Kent and Lois Lane as an actual reporting team, trying to bring about real change (with some super powered help); ie solving problems you can't punch
- Superman as Jane Goodall for alien monsters. One of the things I love from the comics is that Supes doesn't want to immediately punch the monster from space of the week. He wants to empathize with it.
- Superman as big brother to an anti-hero of some kind. Not to punch each other, but Superman as someone able to serve as an example why hope isn't childish or futile to someone who is cynical (this is the core of the Batman relationship in the best comics).
This might be the first time in 15 years that Superman has been depicted on film actually helping people. God, I hated the Snyder films.
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